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Fate & Free Will

Roger Olson does a brilliant job of taking on the idea that non-Calvinist theology is somehow “man centered” instead of “God centered.”

At about the 3:30 mark Olson makes essentially the same point I was attempting to in this week’s post “on Limited Atonement” – except Olson says it far better than I did.


You can find a more complete critique of Calvinism in Olson’s new book Against Calvinism.

Feel free to share your thoughts on Olson’s lecture. Do you think he made a good case, or does he misportray Calvinism and the God it describes?

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HT: Louis at Baker Church Connection

Typical of my experience of Calvinism in academic settings.

“Reformed Christians are not restorationists. That is, they do not believe that the Reformation was a break from catholic Christianity, or that the church had ceased to exist until the Reformers came along… Unlike myriad sects, we do not regard our congregations or denominations as the only true church, but as part of the catholic church across all times and places.” – Michael Horton, For Calvinism

Typical of my experience of Calvinism on the Internet. [In response to a question asking people to name their favorite theologian from the other side of the Calvinist/Arminian divide]

“I have no favorite Arminian theologian-Why do you expect orthodox Calvinists to have a favorite heretic?”

“I am Calvinistic and don’t really know many Arminian Theologians. Those that I know of, I dislike greatly”

In the word’s of Jon Stewart- Calvinists, “meet me at camera two.”

Do you see the problem here? People are getting mixed signals.

Do you like us? Do you think we’re godforsaken heretics?

We don’t know, and that makes it hard to talk to you.

Yes, some of the stereotyping of Calvinists is unfair and unhelpful. But you know we’re not just making this stuff up, right?

So please, figure out where you stand and teach that consistently, so that when we come across the average Calvinist online we can have some idea whether we are going to be welcomed as a brother/sister in Christ or condemned as a heretic.

Sincerely,

People who aren’t Calvinists [Or as you call pretty much all of us, Arminians]

“You don’t have free will. You have the illusion of free will.”

Or at least that’s the premise of The Adjustment Bureau.

The question is, how would we know?

I feel like I have free will, I can try to argue that the direction of my life is not fated by a man (or angels) behind the curtain, but would I really be able to tell?

I wonder if that has anything to do with how heated discussions over our free will and God’s sovereignty often become. The idea that our fate is not our own is quite distressing.

After all, when we act or pray we naturally hope that something might change. We cry out to the divine, hoping that we might change our fate, or the fates of others. Yet sometimes we ask if we are crying out in futility.

The common suggestion that God is outside of time, sovereignly directing every life, every beautiful gift, and every horrific tragedy, all according to a master plan – this raises all sorts of questions. But one the most haunting questions is this. Can we change our fate, or is free will just an illusion?

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